Can thispresentation be conducting in Spanish too?
Yes! This “learning loss” narrative is so corrosive AND ubiquity.
"Standardized testing is created to prove racial inferiority. " 🔥🔥
So tired of this BS learning loss narrative.
They will catch up eventually, the issue is losing their lives or the lives of their families. This idea of standardized testing right now is such BS
preach, your words are so true. parent (muba) in Unity There is Strength
no true measures of accountability. I don't understand why we are wasting out tax dollars paying "leaders" in education that cannot and has not come up with better ways ...
You are so right, re those organizations, but people see “civil rights organization” and stop thinking
Testing IS child abuse - amen.
thanks Denisha. (muba) in Unity There is Strength
I am so appreciating this keen analysis by Denisha and Ricardo!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ai9esk0vvPI&ab_channel=TEDxTalks Ricardo Rosa Testing TEDx
This is amazing! Thank you!
child abuse charges should be bought up against the DOE for testing. (CPE) Muba parent . in Unity There is Strength
am I the only one not hearing anything? screen frozen on Denisha - Ricardo was talking till all went silent
thank you Ricardo
Great books Jack Scheider’s A Better Way to Measure School Quality and Gholdy Muhammad’s Cultivating Genius: An Equity Framework for Culturally and Historically Responsive Literacy…Both author get this issue.
Mariame Kaba discusses the fallacies of prison reform turning into institutional norms here: “Some reforms end up reproducing the system in another form…you put out some kind of reform, and then that reform becomes institutionalized. Worse than institutionalization, the reform actually creates a new form of consciousness and a new form of “common sense.” That reform itself becomes the new common sense, and that’s so dangerous on so many levels.” Now think about how that is EXACTLY what has happened over the last few generations with standardized testing!
Becky Noël Smith
Just when we thought the reasons for testing couldn’t get worse!
one thing 2016-2020 taught me: there is no bottom. it can always get worse.
NY State though needs to communicate this to families.
Just taking the tests will be HS. Removing the traditional stakes is not enough.
the high stakes are the problem.
In it to win it
yep. jebs personal whizz bucket
These spaces are the only ones where people make any sense. What Professor Rosa said is true, people are brainwashed and we need to separate everyone from our abusers.
It has been devastating for early childhood experiences in NC. we have double pressure from state with “Read to Achieve” legislation. we are 49th in per pupil spending.
This is powerful testimony. Thank you.
exactly what Karen sprowal described in nyc with success academy
Ms. Smith, I am terrified that the “learning loss” rhetoric will move us back toward what you are describing.
I agree Jennifer.
Places like Texas had numerous tests
Save Our Schools is now Uniting to Save Our Schools. Visit us at https://www.facebook.com/UnitingtoSaveOurSchools
TheOptOutFloridaNetwork.wordpress.com We are not recommending distance learners go in to school.
nclb/essa is a joke! we need a national movement. data driven not student centered. let's face it public education is " America's new currency" ...
the live to turn humans into numbers to juggle and crunch to feed a machine that just juggles and crunches.
Florida has extended the testing window by two weeks and will put that test in front of students thru that entire window and every day a student is their.
This is madddddening. They should totally be subject to criminal prosecution.
Important to recognize that the federal government has already said it will waive the "95% participation rule" which districts used to coerce families to take tests. So there should be no fear of penalties from DC for widespread opt outs.
yes it does
we are doing grammar with 10th grade
Yes Bob and districts are lying to families about that.
Speaking truth to power Amy
powerful information. preach sister Ceresta. parent (muba) Coalition for Public Education.(CPE) in Unity There is Strength
A strategy, in part, is to get critical employers to collaborate on a national letter.
careful...the "shouldn't use just one test" Is exactly why we have to get more tests now. They call it "value added" measures as if that kind of crap actually adds value.
Becky Noël Smith
You can’t run a country on STEM. You need history, social studies, ethics, and humanities
yes to all of this
The commitment of the U.S. Department of Education to waiving the "95% participation requirement" is in the middle of the first bullet point of this Feb. 22 memo --https://oese.ed.gov/files/2021/02/DCL-on-assessments-and-acct-final.pdf
no one is ever concerned about the trumpet players and dancers we leave behind. why is that?!?!
Becky Noël Smith
Yes, @Jennifer: arts and humanities
Michael Fullan's latest report says the same things that Amy is reminding us in his call to end Academics Obsession and replace it with Well being and Learning!https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?tab=rm&ogbl#search/batrenholme%40gmail.com/WhctKJWQhmkqfptPTjjskvSBzgxrXNXklttnznDXhmMlwfZGTmknXwxLHGqcNTwCzDFJpZb?compose=SxfkdqLhcZfqHsGQtCBsCmNjgdhLcdXtdqccRSFbfMncfhdsccmTWcmFJPTjwSWqqQWQbdgZrLhjRvwBKwwxcsXRSsRPjTPrCBCTBKGXpktNnRmxsWL&projector=1&messagePartId=0.1
Testing is one aspect of corporate education reform to both reap profits, but also to shape the work force they want.
Anyone here in Chicago?
@bess The amount of ed-tech companies that develop these tests and manipulate students and parents…so true
Agree totally Amy!!! See Michael Fullan's repot form this February..https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?tab=rm&ogbl#search/batrenholme%40gmail.com/WhctKJWQhmkqfptPTjjskvSBzgxrXNXklttnznDXhmMlwfZGTmknXwxLHGqcNTwCzDFJpZb?compose=SxfkdqLhcZfqHsGQtCBsCmNjgdhLcdXtdqccRSFbfMncfhdsccmTWcmFJPTjwSWqqQWQbdgZrLhjRvwBKwwxcsXRSsRPjTPrCBCTBKGXpktNnRmxsWL&projector=1&messagePartId=0.1
Yes Bess, they use testing to shape a very passive work force, who have no idea about who they are.
It is time for education to be about children and child development. how many of our struggling readers are struggling because we are prematurely forcing the property of subtraction and regrouping on them in early
@Michael would you remind relinking that report?
deficit narrative must stop
Becky Noël Smith
And don’t forget that the most important thing we can address during pandemic IS children’s well being. Curricular content in schools does NOT matter right now if children are not well.
Can others click on links? It’s not working for me, and really want the Fullan report - can it be sent afterward?
(We can’t cut/paste or save chat in “webinar”)
Denisha Jones (she/her)
Yes, Jennifer, the testing and extreme discipline in schools is there to create compliant adults who just do what they are told to do. We are also not producing well-rounded educated adults because of the complete emphasis on only math and reading as the measure of the child’s intellect.
Tests can measure learning loss when they can’t even measure learning (they are not vertically aligned to do that!)
ongoing cumulative portfolio of experiences is the way.
Learning lost? How about funding loss to pay for testing that comes back after children have moved on to the next grade.
Michael Fullan's February 2021 Report on redesigning how we do education. He calls out the dire need to stopping the Academics Obsession in our country and beyond....https://michaelfullan.ca/wp-content/uploads/2021/03/Fullan-CSE-Leading-Education-Series-01-2021R2-compressed.pdf
YES! human potential cannot be quantified!!!
How much of the state education budgets end up being used to buy and grade tests?
@Ceresta can you talk a bit more about united opt out?
View the Uniting to Save Our Schools platform at https://www.unitingtosaveourschools.org/usos-platform
Thank you for Fullan link!!!
And make money at the expense of disadvantaged people.
I love how you mentioned that they aren’t vertically aligned. The MA science graduation test just assess one science class, the current one they are in.
I opted my girls out Because I don't want their scores used as a stick to whack others with.
educational malpractice. AMEN
Thank you to this panel of informed experts!!
Becky Noël Smith
Ohhhh Ricardo, that is wonderful!
“Whiteness protection program”! That is so helpful!
I feel like I’m home 😆
I feel that PARENTS are the linchpin here, as teachers are typically seen as self-interested (regardless of how untrue and besides the point that is). Parents, especially white, middle-class/affluentsuburban parents are who are going to make this change come to pass. Am I off base here? Is there some other groundswell that is as potent as them?
(Addendum to my previous question - How do we convince the very folx who are the benefactors of all things colonized in our educational system, like standardized testing, to divest from it?)
Thank you, Ricardo!
Thank you Denisha!
Testing sure produces obedient little workers of course.
See the Uniting to Save Our Schools Platform at https://www.unitingtosaveourschools.org/usos-platform
I think the scholarships connected to doing well on them in our state makes it hard for many families and teachers to leave behind and support opt out
What is Ricardo 's last name?
Ricardo your words of knowledge and facts are needed to be shared in all states that practice standardized test. I live in NYC. parent. muba (CPE) in Unity There is Strength
The oppressor keeps raising the level that must be reached in order to make sure the others do not catch up or not recognized as intelligent.
Test scores do NOT measure merit -- at best, they measure test-taking skills
John, as someone who organizes parents, I don’t think parents are enough. Many defer to or fear authority figures like teachers and especially principals. We need them to join parents.
John Whaley I agree that parents have to rise up. it’s so hard to convince them. Especially the high school tests with high percentages of final grades tied to the state and federally mandated tests.
This testing is also affecting who becomes a teacher. The scores on standardized certification exams stand in as a measure of whether you will be a quality teacher.
Denisha Jones (she/her)
Yes Nora and they are keeping good teachers out of the classroom!
I hear “my kids don’t mind the test,” and “it matters for my high schooler” all the time.
Kamala - so are the administrators the biggest hurdle?
And, Jennifer Bourne - ALL THE TIME. I get dismissed as “yeah, I agree with you philosophically, but *my kid*…”
she is talking root causes
In NYC we see opt out is larger at schools where administrators are sympathetic or at least not hostile.
Kemala* (dumb autocorrect)
Yes Nora! To Amy’s point about testing and segregation, everyone should read R. Scott Bakers’s Paradoxes of Desegregation https://uscpress.com/Paradoxes-of-Desegregation there is a whole chapter on testing and a lot on how teacher testing was conceptualized and why!
The parents are afraid. All parents want their children to be successful so they often pull back and are scared not to have their child take the tests.
Mrs. Smith for president!
special thanks to all our panelist. in Unity There is Strength
money and fear
Merit scholarships for students who do well?
Teachers of Conscience: https://teachersofconscience.wordpress.com/
because parents and teachers have an interest in controlling students and opting out is a revolutionary act
Absolutely, Teachers are afraid especially if they are not tenured.
Cause it takes a lot of resources to interrupt what folks think is ‘common sense’. Parents and others who are not employed by the districts have to do the heavy lifting as cover for the teachers and admin could lose their jobs.
I like to share this link with parents: https://college.harvard.edu/about/news-announcements/admissions-update-2021-2022-application-cycle
Ed leaders need to be held accountable - we should see groups of superintendents refusing to administer.
That’s how I, as a parent, introduced criticism of standardized testing.
"strongly opposed" is generous. 20+yrs in NY, my 3 girls refused as soon as RTTT was shoved at us. unions cheered our compliance not our profession
it does not really help with the 25% weighting of End-of-course tests.
Yes, teaching is a political and ideological issue!
Denisha Jones (she/her)
Jesse is here
and still nysut was weak
I meant testing is a political and ideological issue.
Download the Declaration of Professional Conscience for Teachers: https://www.rcowen.com/PDFs/A%20Declaration-KenRev-611x17.pdf
Love seeing that Bess! Absolutely.
In Hawaii, we can “refuse,” not opt out. Our parent group is organizing here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/refusesbahi
Originally the declaration was written in 1990, updated in 2010. Still completely relevant today.
And how about all the so called liberal white parents who put up BLM signs in their homes? We have to come together and ask ourselves and one another what we can interrupt in our lives that supports white supremacy
there was a little low key shame for me not offering up my daughters scores to make the school look better
Standardized testing could be low hanging fruit in that it is part of every public school student’s experience
We’ve been encouraged by national support: http://www.unitedoptoutnational.org/
I am thankful for the support of educators who stand up for righteousness and no one wants to lose their job. however there is true a saying "the upholder is worst than the thief". nothing personal. Parent! in Unity There is Strength
we need a kids union
Many of our equity advocates are also supporters of the accountability that is supposedly addressed by standardized testing.
yes. REFUSE. no such thing as opt when it's NY or my kids.
UFT in NYC is powerful but has not stood up on this issue. Parents have aligned with dissident caucuses, however.
FEA has shared opt out info on their website in the prior FEA admin.
Is there a link, Cindy?
Jennifer Bourne, I’ve come up against that too.
Becky Noël Smith
It seems clear that the argument of white privilege is being used to discredit the anti-racist argument of the movement
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1u0dA-z8SKHYzE062z0TURR0iVxMSxauKAdxMDIUXofk/edit Compiled a google doc of resources mentioned thus far - books, papers, etc.
love you Denisha! ( parent muba). in Unity There is Strength
YESSSS! YOUR child, not theirs!
A senator told me parents and teachers must call their local legislators with challenges to standardized testing, otherwise they don’t believe it’s really an issue.
I feel like she's my friend.
Love that....Opt Out Academy.
Feel free to add to the doc - I just made it eeditable
How true Denisha..In Denver this year the opt out rates this year are quite HIGH for the white parents and much lower for black and brown families..
As we also talk about opt out academies, can we also do work around educating what good learning opportunities in our classrooms look like? I.e. are your kids are doing a lot of worksheets vs problem based/place based inquiry learning.
Also, in NYC the majority of opt out students are “not economically advantaged”—but people don’t realize or even believe that
Jesse Hagopian’s https://www.haymarketbooks.org/books/618-more-than-a-score
The National Center for Fair & Open Testing
That is very helpful and practical advice!
Ricardo narratives are key good point
“Be part of the IN club and opt OUT”
Definitions of Reliable, Valid & fair from: http://www.teststandards.org/
that New Bedford Panel was AMAZING!!!!!!!!
Just say "no" to standardized test -- FairTest's guide to opting out -- https://www.fairtest.org/get-involved/opting-out
New York Performance Standards Consortiumshows quality alternatives such as portfolios: http://www.performanceassessment.org/
IntegrateNYC here in NYC has an opt out campaign right now
Ceresta’s principal is like the NYC principals who refused to open the NYS field test boxes and sent them back
I want to send that principal a thank you.
Appreciating all of the energy in this space! Thank you!! Inspiring! Onward!
Ms, Smith, I am in Miami, I'd love to keep up to date with what is going on. How can I stay in contact with you?
Steven Singer: https://gadflyonthewallblog.com/2019/04/18/schools-that-hinder-opt-outs-are-participating-in-their-own-demise/
We Are an African People: Independent Education, Black Power, and the Radical Imagination - highly recommended book - given Amy’s point
Well, to Amy’s point, the edTPA is now the gatekeeper of who gets certified and the numbers re Brown and Black candidates is BAD…..it is a high stakes test to become a teacher
Washington State has fought back against the edTPA.
sad I had to prepare my children almost like I would for an arrest
What about for high school tests that are graduation requirements?
Here’s a very short video we’ve created for parents on how to do it in Massachusetts - it applies to a great extent in other contexts
Parents can attend school board meetings - in person or on Zoom - to voice their views on testing.
some internal, politically driven incentives
yes. edTPA is horrible. teachers are being trained to blindly accept manipulated standards and align them in order to pass this test!!!
Feel free to plug all resources in this google doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1u0dA-z8SKHYzE062z0TURR0iVxMSxauKAdxMDIUXofk/edit
@Ariella, can you email that to Oren so he can send to those of us who registered?
In NJ, it is edTPA and the ballooning number of certification exams. In addition, even at the front end, the Praxis Core is being used to block college students from entering teacher education programs. If you do not have the requisite score on the Praxis core or a 3.0 GPA by the end of your sophomore year, you cannot become a teacher in NJ.
Helpful Resources: http://www.unitedoptoutnational.org/resources.html
THANK YOU FOR THE GOOGLE DOC OF RESOURCES!
Denisha’s story about the youth is like the Garfield HS students in Seattle who refused the test
well-informed people make well-informed decisions
how do I love this? perfect!
Whoa whoa whoa. Are we validating SAT/AP tests though? Noooooooo
Would like some state organizing links. 2016 countrywide map based on NASBE data: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/does-your-state-let-students-opt-out-of-standardized-tests
Jesse Hagopian has a book out - MORE THAN A SCORE
Here is a collection of resources that the audience compiled during the meeting, if you could send this out to participants: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1u0dA-z8SKHYzE062z0TURR0iVxMSxauKAdxMDIUXofk/edit
Thank you so much panelists....the work continues!!!
@Oren can you also email this to all those registered for the webinar afterwards?
Arielle Meltzer, we don’t have “edit” access to the https://www.justiceinschools.org/opting-out-standardized-testing
Thank you so much!
@Deb let me fix that real quick
trust me, I WILL end up in a team mtg, or at a BOE mtg where spread sheets of test data is the focus, is the foundation, with shamed acknowledgment that the kids need something different. it happens now.
testing continues the power of the billionaires to push vouchers sadly so...See Reed Hastings of Netflix and his push to privatize education..
@Deb is it working now?
Legislators say they will always expect some form of testing, whether annual or age span. BUT, they don’t necessarily care which test.
There needs to be educational reform. Although, you opt-out the curricula is still test prep oriented.
Not yet. https://www.nasbe.org/opt-out-policies-by-state/
test in home languages!!!!
I know other parents who were pressed. semi-coerced with loss of services. parents need advocates.
Thank you so much! This is vitally important information and we must continue pushing the conversation forward to educate families and students.
Still grayed “Request Edit Access.” Another strategy has been putting anti-test activists on school boards.
Love your clarity, Ceresta!
let's prepare children for the future not a test
Feel free to message me your email and I can give you edit access. So Sorry. Not sure why it isn’t working
students for whom English is a second language should not be tested in English. love be that EOC project substitution idea. yes.
most hope I've had in a while
Interesting perspective: October 9, 2017Promoting White Privilege: A look at the Opt-Out Movement By Sarah L. Hairston http://www.ajeforum.com/promoting-white-privilege-a-look-at-the-opt-out-movement-by-sarah-l-hairston/
teachers override final grades, but only those who are empowered.
teacher here. agree. many afraid or even bought in to pouring over data on spreadsheets vs looking at students
"Teachers are the experts on educating children not the testing companies" ..beautiful!
AERA '19: Testing policies are the 'Jim Crow of education,' association president suggests https://www.k12dive.com/news/aera-19-testing-policies-are-the-jim-crow-of-education-association-pre/552188/
Could you please address working with legislators? Our state tests were adopted by the legislature as much as the education department.
easier to use numbers against the moral obligations than meet them through humane policy
yes NYC Opt Out has some limited resources in Spanish
Some of our schools have speakers of as many as 17 languages. Lack of translations is a serious issue.
Critical to go on Spanish media
Yes! Thank you for the Google Doc of resources! Fantastic!!
I’m so sorry about the edit access on the google doc, everyone…feel free to send me an email firstname.lastname@example.org and I can give you direct edit access. Not sure why it isn’t working
Opting OutThe Story of the Parents’ Grassroots Movement to Achieve Whole-Child Public SchoolsDavid Hursh https://myersedpress.presswarehouse.com/browse/author/ea9ffc29-423a-4493-9ec8-1c531078f4cc/David-Hursh
Thank you so much. I hope this will be recorded and available to retrieve.:)
Every Student Succeeds Act Section 9202 explicitly protects teachers first amendment rights.
this feels like the moment.
Thank you so much. This was great.
I always asked my kids about lunch and recess
Answer to why we do so much testing is the industry that drives it… Pearson, etc
NYC Opt Out also has resources on testing, race, & class: https://www.optoutnyc.com/race-class-opt-out
Kids need an asset-based education.
I hate to mention that the cutting of school librarians who support individual research is part of deprofessionalization and reducing college prep
Yes Denisha! Thank you!
Yay, Denisha! Right on!
Yes, Denisha. Test taking is counterproductive.
this insane rigor and over expectations with learning during this pandemic causes a lot of anxiety for the students and also teachers
Organization recommended: https://www.facebook.com/BadassTeachersAssociation/
Thank you for such a brilliant and informative evening!!
Thank you for the invitation! Peace, joy & justice!
Hope we can save this chat also
I need more of this for my soul
www.nctestingreform.org was here ❤️
Thanks to you all…a very important conversation!
Thank you all!!
Paola De Dominicis
THANK YOU FOR SUCH A GREAT DISCUSSION.
Thank you Oren and all the panelists.
This was so, so good. Thank you so much. I think it would be break out small pieces of this that can be circulated more widely
Thank you so much!!
Thanks to everyone who logged on !!!
thank you so much!!!
Thank you! Excellent!
No PW needed to share this recording?
Thank you! Excited to share!
Thank you so much!!!